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acid1

07-17-2002, 09:15 AM

well depending on how you look at it....

its saying i'm creating an output called "acid1" whose function is to "phunkurmom" and i'm passing the value 69 to it.....finally I call an out acid1, which basically means to unload to output. Finally the endin means that I'm done with the instrument.

so in sexual innuendo talk it means that a penis(output) named acid1 is going to "phunk your mom" in the 69 position. Then acid1 busts a nut (output), and takes it's penis out (endin)....

it appears this thread took a turn for the worst, I agree with Xgote that we should build from eachother, but i think most producers get too ego filled and not wish to show people thier scores cuz someone they will "know too much"

acid1

PS-zero, that code is in C Sound format which is a programming language for making music... like super kollider

Polytrickster

07-17-2002, 09:26 AM

Big up the Fruity Loop massive! :up

Zero

07-17-2002, 10:48 AM

so in sexual innuendo talk it means that a penis(output) named acid1 is going to "phunk your mom" in the 69 position. Then acid1 busts a nut (output), and takes it's penis out (endin)....

so you are going to "phunk" my mother?

acid1

07-17-2002, 10:00 PM

I wasen't at first directly referring to you specifically, but now that you bring it up, the true question is, how do you know I haven't already? :foff

:bounce acid1 :bounce
:banana :banana :banana

Zero

07-17-2002, 10:40 PM

Its pretty hardcore man...you sure u want to know?

acid1

07-17-2002, 11:00 PM

I'd just like to publically state that before things get out of hand, i don't have anything against anyone on the board, including zero cuz i don't know him, and didn't mean any disrespect... i have a tendency to joke around and be sarcastic but I guess the smilies don't do a well enough job explaining this...

acid1

vector burn

07-17-2002, 11:24 PM

Acid 1, I'll give you a thousand-dollar bearer bond if you can listen to a track with no prior knowledge of it and tell what equipment/software it was made with.

puh-LEEEEZE.

acid1

07-17-2002, 11:40 PM

/me re-emphasizes the previous post about being sarcastic and includes that it pertained to the fruity loops comment as well... and before anyone asks... even the remark about reverb on sub bass....

acid1

f3/\r teh Phorced Access

07-18-2002, 12:50 PM

Acid 1 whom I have known for 2+ years jokes about peoples mommas when you get to know him. We say crap like that to each other all the time. He dosen't mean disrespect but in a medium where sarcasm cannot be conveyd in a proper manner feelings can get hurt.

Keep da love!

:ninja

Seneca

07-18-2002, 06:07 PM

First of all, I'd like to say hi to everyone (this is my first post), Secondly, I use fruityloops, fruityloops is one of the MOST powerful production tools I've used, to see what I mean check out a snippet of my new tune Inverse @ www.geocities.com/prjkt28/inverse.mp3. Thirdly, ARIZONA NEEEEDS UNITY, from the DJ feuds, to promoter wars, it is getting worse, and it's getting ridicules. We the producers control everything, and we need to form an AZ collective, because without us the DJ's wouldn't exist because there would be no music, and the promoters wouldn't exist because there would be no DJ's.

shabda

07-18-2002, 08:57 PM

there are many different perspectives to every situation. Why a Producer make music if it didnt get heard? Some DJ somewhere had better like it. Or you had better get your booty on the road to tour. No offense but I highly doubt there are Producers doing live pa's with fruityloops. I dont know I could be wrong?

shabda

07-18-2002, 09:17 PM

Originally posted by X-Gote
Is unity really needed among the producers here in the valley? What do you guys think? Is everyone that's serious seem to be doing their own thing with a label of some sort or find their unity in another place? What are some things we could share? Is there any motivation to support each other in some manner?

WE could share files? But most people are too greedy. giving links and stuff. LISTEN i got mad sample cds YA DIG MENG? So if anyone is tired of this lame shit let me now! I will send you some sample cds via the web if I am not busy. and obviously right now i am not.:rinse :reload I GOT CHO BACK MENG!

Zero

07-18-2002, 09:27 PM

I sense a drama thread coming on....

shabda

07-18-2002, 11:08 PM

no drama here just real life! Whats up>?
:bounce

shabda

07-18-2002, 11:14 PM

oops wrong quote...
anyway
I agree vector but seriously fruityloops:rolleyes
You would have to agree there are alot more higher quality warez out there for sequencing. It all comes down to what your comfortable with. I personaly prefer "banging out my drumz" on my mpc 4000. Cause see unlike most people on this site I prefer HARDWARE for my HARDCORP:metal

vector burn

07-19-2002, 02:13 AM

How do you know I use FL? It's not from the quality of my production, is it now? Stakka, Dylan, Paul B, Psidream, Cyanide, Bulletproof, Kasra, Dphie and Concord Dawn don't seem to care what I use. At least not enough to stop them from playing my tunes. I'm not trying to be a cock and drop names, that's not the way I do things, but it seems I need to back up my statements here.

It seems like you know a fair amount about production; how could you overlook and dismiss such a powerful piece of software? Have you seen it recently?

shabda

07-19-2002, 02:53 PM

i dont care what you use i am just stating that there are more "involved" softwares for sequencing. No disrespect to you.
I am a hardware head personally.

shabda

07-19-2002, 02:57 PM

Originally posted by vector burn
Acid 1, I'll give you a thousand-dollar bearer bond if you can listen to a track with no prior knowledge of it and tell what equipment/software it was made with.

puh-LEEEEZE.
This is what i originally wanted to quote... my appologizes, I was actually agreeing with you. No need to get "cocky!"

Polytrickster

07-19-2002, 03:47 PM

Fruity Loops is insanely powerful. You can control every note with extreme detail. Extremely involving! I have and use hardware too. And I plug my hardware into Fruity to control knobs and other shits. On top of that. Fruity looks like the most popular synths/drums machines on the market and mimicks they way they work and THEN they add rediculous programming controls that are easy to use; something hardware almost never has.

If by more involved you mean more difficult to use, you are correct.

Polytrickster

07-19-2002, 03:48 PM

A side note.... I'm not pissed or offended, just try to clear the air with facts and not opinions. To each his own.

dialekt

07-19-2002, 04:34 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by acid1
[B]I have a "they must not use fruityloops" requirement for the producers I work with, personally.

I don't understand why so many people have negative things to say about fruity loops. is it the name? If you've used ti then it seems you would understand that it is a fully functinoal sequencer. I know when i hear a toon i really like i don't stop and ponder what program or piece of hardware he used to sequence his track. I respect anyone that is just using software to write their tracks,you can do anything on your computer that you can do with hardware. youjust might have to put more thought into it. I respect anyone, and love the fact that you can put out tracks with nothing but something like fruity loops. When it comes to buying a talented producer I don't think it has naything to do with your equipment.

kid kryptic

07-19-2002, 05:10 PM

Fruityloops is sick...not only is it a powerful sequencer, but it hosts all my VSTi and DirectX Plugings...what more do you need? Maybe a better mixing console would be nice, but then again, you can just export the tracks to your perfered mixer.

B00D4H

07-20-2002, 12:47 AM

Originally posted by Polytrickster
Fruity Loops is insanely powerful. You can control every note with extreme detail. Extremely involving! I have and use hardware too. And I plug my hardware into Fruity to control knobs and other shits. On top of that. Fruity looks like the most popular synths/drums machines on the market and mimicks they way they work and THEN they add rediculous programming controls that are easy to use; something hardware almost never has.

If by more involved you mean more difficult to use, you are correct.

Who ever said popular meant quality. I think in fruityloops case it means cheap! i like the acess virus kc and other professional hardware personally.
but as far as software sequencers and samplers go there are better quality
softwares out there. Emagic i know for a fact host alot more than vst and direct x.

shabda

07-20-2002, 01:40 AM

Originally posted by dialekt
[QUOTE]Originally posted by acid1
[B]I have a "they must not use fruityloops" requirement for the producers I work with, personally.

I don't understand why so many people have negative things to say about fruity loops. is it the name? If you've used ti then it seems you would understand that it is a fully functinoal sequencer. I know when i hear a toon i really like i don't stop and ponder what program or piece of hardware he used to sequence his track. I respect anyone that is just using software to write their tracks,you can do anything on your computer that you can do with hardware. youjust might have to put more thought into it. I respect anyone, and love the fact that you can put out tracks with nothing but something like fruity loops. When it comes to buying a talented producer I don't think it has naything to do with your equipment.
I dont use any one thing for production. So I will give fruityloops an equal share as a tool if I am comfortable using it.

acid1

07-20-2002, 09:57 AM

hahaha, this is great that my sarcasm touched so many people's sensitive spot I guess...

truely tho, i don't have anything against fruity loops really... the only thing I've complained about in the past is thier sampling pitch algorithmns.... see fruity loops does not do sampling real time (which is terrible)... and when they do resampling pitch shifting... the frequencies are not filtered correctly when upshifting, so they reflect at nyquist frequency, causing high amplitude aliasing.

The above is not sarcasm, unfortunatly thats the truth for fruityloops 256 point SINC

acid1

B00D4H

07-20-2002, 03:05 PM

any can decide for themselves i guess. But I checked it out and thought
it to be too simplistic. Too child-like? It sequencing is very primative and
the filters and such are medium grade at best! I amm down with hardware
and software configurations but I tend to use more high-end software
production tools.
PS no offense for under a hundred bucks it is a fun "toy" to play with on your laptop in class.:snore

kid kryptic

07-20-2002, 03:09 PM

like vector burn said,

I'll give you a thousand-dollar bearer bond if you can listen to a track with no prior knowledge of it and tell what equipment/software it was made with.

I know people who still create music using cakewalk for DOS. Now that program is VERY old, and they still create quality tracks.

Cost has nothing to do with quality. You can get what you want out of most anything if you spend enough time learning it. Besides, in the end it comes down to the talent useing the software. High priced sequencers and controllers don't make the songs, the end user creates the songs.

PS- John, this isn't in reguards to your sarcasm post, we've already talked about it before and i know your just messing around. :fu

vase

07-20-2002, 03:22 PM

as always, it;'s not what you have, its how you use it.

i think people critisize fruity loops cause it so damn simple and easy to use, that anyone can make a track. ..

however I do see fuitys limitations. . .. which a many, and which is why it is now available in plug in format. . . .

so now!! For anyone to say that fruity loops sucks as a VST instruments for drum sequenceing.. . gotta be mad... I think it ould be nice. ..

I also notice fruity has featres that most other programs shoud have. . .

I guess all I am saying is. . .use whatever the fuck you want. . . make good music. . .. . don't critizise or judge peoples music based on wht you saw them post as their :preferred instruments"

and who gives a fuck about what other people use, is it affecting your music?

i can show you tracks that have been programmed in the first releases of fruity with breaks I stil use today. . .

THEY ARE JUST TOOLS> SO GRAB YOUR TOOLS BELT< LOAD IT UP, and LEAVE THE TOOLS YOU DON"T LIKE ALONE

vase :kitty

B00D4H

07-20-2002, 03:25 PM

I think all anyone is saying as far as fruityloops goes, is that there are
better softwarez out there. If you like it use it! Dont get sand in your vaginas over it. People have the right to what makes then happy. If they
are not happy nor comfortable using a particular product dont get upset.
You have the same rights... Do yo thang! If the music is vibing...There
are "no worries" RESPECT

X-Gote

07-22-2002, 11:15 PM

You guys have the attention span of a dog. :mad . I like responding to people's production questions with open ended answers. I tell everyone what vase says. It really doesn't matter what you use. Use as many different packages / combination of software /hardware you can until you find something that works for you. I don't know about you guys but earlier on when I was just geting started into it and made my first few decent tracks, I was affriad of sharing with people in fear that my ideas would be stolen and dilute my style.. I can't say that im not still like that, but im definately more open to giving people help when they ask or if someoen I know is looking for a sample that I have.

NoW, can anyone provide some citisism as far as some of the problems you producers face here in the valley? Do you depend on any unity of any scale? Well sure everyone wants to get their material out and achieve some success... Producers that are affiliated with a label and release stuff on some consistant basis, do you really care about what anyone else is doing (be honest. For me it would be a tough call if I were in your possition)?

Seneca

07-23-2002, 03:37 AM

I to feel like keeping all my shish to myself.. outta fear of my ideas being stolen, but then how would we improve? Although, I do see the other side.. some people don't know the other people personally so fawk em'.. but we should all meet eachother, and share ideas.. and dare I say it.. create UNITY..

vector burn

07-23-2002, 09:24 AM

Maybe we should define what "Unity" actually means to us, in this specific case...

shabda

07-23-2002, 11:13 AM

It sure as hell doesnt mean agreeing with everthing someone posts. We are all different and have various different opinions. The only way to unite is Come together!!! Not come together in an agreement, But really come together. The computer is not the way to unite... It is but a tool, in which we can use to establish "virtual connections", the real connection comes when we reach out and in person try to vibe with one another!:bounce

kid kryptic

07-23-2002, 02:16 PM

I'm with Oliver on this one. What exactly is everyone hoping to achieve through this producer 'unity'. More collaborations of AZ artists? Getting together as a group outside of the DJ scene to discuss production concepts, ideas, and techniques? To shoot the shit with each other about gear? To get drunk as buddies on the weekends and share are work with each other?

I guess i'm just kinda lost, as are probably most people, about what is trying to be achieved here. I would be more than happy to meet up with you all. Any ideas? Should we have a party or something? Should we all go out to happy hour somewhere?

:beer

shabda

07-23-2002, 02:46 PM

Originally posted by kid kryptic
More collaborations of AZ artists? Getting together as a group outside of the DJ scene to discuss production concepts, ideas, and techniques? To shoot the shit with each other about gear? To get drunk as buddies on the weekends and share are work with each other? I guess i'm just kinda lost, Any ideas? Should we have a party or something? Should we all go out to happy hour somewhere?:beer

Soundz like you have the right ideaz to me! I am meeting with DEEP FREQ, CLEANSWEEP, and KIP KILLAGAIN today! They are driving up to the cool pines of PRESCOTT to get away from the heat and to vibe on a personal level. No UNITY will achieved on a computer. File sharing or not. We just need to SHARE.:) Share thoughts, share experiences, I dont know just do shit that HUMANS fuckin do! You know like when you have a sense of "commUNITY?" COMMunal existance goes back to one origin...
THE FAMILY. The only way to achieve this sense of commUNITY is to COMMunicate to one another like we would hopefully be commUNIcating with our FAMILY. U N I (together):bounce
We are all we have left. Our minds have been enslaved for hundreds of centuries, and our spiritual beliefs preverted into organized relegion to keep us waring with eachother. Its not "me against you" its "US against them"(U N I):)

king egorock

07-23-2002, 07:05 PM

Originally posted by shabda

Soundz like you have the right ideaz to me! I am meeting with DEEP FREQ, CLEANSWEEP, and KIP KILLAGAIN today! They are driving up to the cool pines of PRESCOTT to get away from the heat and to vibe on a personal level. No UNITY will achieved on a computer. File sharing or not. We just need to SHARE.:) Share thoughts, share experiences, I dont know just do shit that HUMANS fuckin do! You know like when you have a sense of "commUNITY?" COMMunal existance goes back to one origin...
THE FAMILY. The only way to achieve this sense of commUNITY is to COMMunicate to one another like we would hopefully be commUNIcating with our FAMILY. U N I (together):bounce
We are all we have left. Our minds have been enslaved for hundreds of centuries, and our spiritual beliefs preverted into organized relegion to keep us waring with eachother. Its not "me against you" its "US against them"(U N I):)

word unity is in actions not words. however thoughts and words are what lead to action. this board is a means to communicate those thoughts and words.

as for your meeting ...i would have accompanied freq if i didn'thave to earn a living.

X-Gote

07-24-2002, 12:44 PM

I don't want to give out too many details about a service I am developing but I would like to say that I am trying to taylor it towards producers mainly (im not forgetting about you dj's! ).. yes I will be promoting unity via use of the internet but I really want to see if it can go past that. Im open for suggestions. I wanted to throw some shovels in the dark and see if I could squeeze out a few more ideas to impliment so that is all I hoped to achieve. Sorry I decieve you :(. I was also curious to find out what you guys really thought becasue someone told me that unity was not needed among producers because they have their labels and their own projects they do independently.

Pook

07-25-2002, 05:12 AM

Am I the only person that believes that it's not as important what you use as it is how you use it? Come on now, some of you are dropping software and hardware names like dub plates (status symbols). Probably the same people that are "old school" and rant and rave about "analog". Let's remember one thing - you are referring to electronic music and the main difference between software and hardware is convenience. A PC allows you to run any number of programs or applications where an outboard piece of equipment runs one. I agree that at times having a dedicated machine perform a specific task produces a better product, but this does not always hold true and is not usually cost effective. Every piece of equipment has it's pros and cons and has it's limitations, finding the right combination of gear to match an artist is an ongoing process.

P.S. (shabda) - The MPC4000 does have an incredible performance interface, but it seems to me that it is a specialized PC complete with Intel processor, SDRAM, 60 Gig hard drive, CD burner, and USB. Do you still use your PC for editing and such? Have you tried out the MPD16?
http://www.akaipro.com//productimages/PD16-large.jpg
My next major purchase is either going to be an MPC4000 or a Mac G4 with a rack mount sound card (Digi/001 or something similar) so any user feedback on the MPC would interest me.

shabda

07-26-2002, 12:16 AM

Originally posted by Pook
Am I the only person that believes that it's not as important what you use as it is how you use it? Come on now, some of you are dropping software and hardware names like dub plates (status symbols). Probably the same people that are "old school" and rant and rave about "analog". Let's remember one thing - you are referring to electronic music and the main difference between software and hardware is convenience. A PC allows you to run any number of programs or applications where an outboard piece of equipment runs one. I agree that at times having a dedicated machine perform a specific task produces a better product, but this does not always hold true and is not usually cost effective. Every piece of equipment has it's pros and cons and has it's limitations, finding the right combination of gear to match an artist is an ongoing process.

P.S. (shabda) - The MPC4000 does have an incredible performance interface, but it seems to me that it is a specialized PC complete with Intel processor, SDRAM, 60 Gig hard drive, CD burner, and USB. Do you still use your PC for editing and such? Have you tried out the MPD16?
http://www.akaipro.com//productimages/PD16-large.jpg
My next major purchase is either going to be an MPC4000 or a Mac G4 with a rack mount sound card (Digi/001 or something similar) so any user feedback on the MPC would interest me.
I have alot more control with my mpc 4000 than I had with th 2000xl. It really has taken on pc style sequencing along with mpc's classic interface. I still use my pc as of lately for, multi track recording on emagic but I think I am gonna use emagics sequencer a little more, in conjunction with my mpc and hardware synths. I can still "bang out my breaks" drum pad style if I want, all midi syncronised by the emagic software. I would dare to say the mpc 4000 is the best hardware sequencer to date. On another note if its not what you use but how you use it I say to hell with mac and save your money. You obviously already have a pc!!!:bounce

vase

07-26-2002, 03:15 AM

things that make you go hmmmmm. . . ..

kid kryptic

07-26-2002, 11:07 AM

hmmm?

Pook

07-26-2002, 11:59 AM

I LOVE making people go hmmmm!

:metal :monkey :banana :slayer

acid1

07-26-2002, 01:07 PM

wouldn't it be nice if we started comparing output (songs) instead of input (gear/computers/samples)...

Back to the subject of unity... i think unity can be helpful when producers feel uninspired... then again some people are always inspired, but for the few that aren't all the time, it would be nice if we could remix eachothers tracks, that way we build off of eachother, we get a decent dosage of inspiration and influence, and we are really helping promote eachother.

I hate being in a slump.

acid1