ENERGY is not CREATED or DESTROYED?

[shabda]

How do you bring the VIBE in the studio? I like to let the beats develope themselves, I think it flows better. If MUSIC is VIBRATION and VIBRATION is ENERGY then we dont really CREATE MUSIC. We CHANGE it, or MANIPULATE it. I try to channel the vibrations that I believe exist as we do, BEYOND TIME AND SPACE,
and in a "sense" HARVEST these VIBRATIONS for HUMAN CONSUMPTION.
BIG UP the LIGHT and SOUND WARRIORS!!!

[ViperVixen]

werd--Big Up

[acid1]

Melodies of the universe such as quantum fluctuations due to vibration and amplitude being related to mass and energy? I wouldn't be too overly optimistic about your free will. If you dare step into quantum physics one can't claim that they can change or even manipulate Calabi-Yau demensions. I don't harvest, my music would have been reguardless. Big up the quantum physics massive! :lighter

acid1

[Pook]

Since music is a sequence of vibrations (notes, hence the use of sequencers to make music), one could go so far as to say that we do create original sequences of vibrations called "songs".

Chapter 2: Copyrighting

[acid1]

I'm going to say that I disagree because first of all vibrations are vibrations, the fact that we interpret them as songs, only deems them as is, because we allow it.

Second of all, energy and mass is based on the way strings pass thru Calabi-Yau crumpled up demensions. The degree and shape of the Calabi-Yau determines frequency and amplitude of the string. The freq and amp of the string determines energy levels and or mass of all quantum elements (including light, and no we don't have to get into how it's actually a particle/wave). So if any energy at all exists that makes vibrations, we aren't responsible for it, the strings and calabi-yau is... man whatever breathed fire into the universe was a good "producer" haha ha.. ahh...

Chapter 1 - Theories of Everything: Where general relativity and quantum theory meet.

acid1

[shabda]

We dont create anything though... We might give a sequence, or put a format, but the actual frequencies have already been there for ever. And yes we can control matter... We do it everyday. You want to pick up that cheeseburger and take a bite, so you do.
Our souls which exist beyond time or space send messages to our brain(matter) which, yes we know electrical impulses sent to the appendeges. Wow MOBILITY. MIND over MATTER?

[shabda]

Originally posted by acid1
I'm going to say that I disagree because first of all vibrations are vibrations, the fact that we interpret them as songs, only deems them as is, because we allow it.acid1
No I disagree with you if something vibrates it has energy to do so, secondly if it vibrates it also has frequency. Everything in nature is vibrating whether we can see it or not, and whether or not the frequencies are audible.

[acid1]

hehehe

"No I disagree with you if something vibrates it has energy to do so, secondly if it vibrates it also has frequency. Everything in nature is vibrating whether we can see it or not, and whether or not the frequencies are audible."

first of all if you read my entire post i didn't disagree with this, hahaha. If you didn't read the second part at least... and if you were commenting on the possibility that vibrations go down deeper to energy and frequency, then I'm going to disagree with you. Frequency to a certain degree requires order and repetition, but there is nothing you can make an equation of frequency out of based on subatomic particle fields and energy distribution due to quantum mist... that almost implies a perfect world, which i refuse to agree with simply based on the fact that we are disagreeing (not that i'm right, but in a perfect world we would know everything), hehe....

"We dont create anything though... We might give a sequence, or put a format, but the actual frequencies have already been there for ever. And yes we can control matter... We do it everyday. You want to pick up that cheeseburger and take a bite, so you do.
Our souls which exist beyond time or space send messages to our brain(matter) which, yes we know electrical impulses sent to the appendeges. Wow MOBILITY. MIND over MATTER?"

Your brain has synaptic clefts that tend to fire in patterns which they have before (unless you are on acid and have chemical reations). you pick up the cheeseburger and eat it thru conditioned responces (seeing people on tv, watching parents, eating similar looking things) and dna inheritance (genetics, which could also relative to carl jung's archetype theory of your cheeseburger)... you even think about eating the cheeseburger cuz of impulses in your brain indicating that your stomach is hungry... what am I getting at?

I'm getting at that everything in nature is caused by something else happening before it.... two pool balls richochet .... it's because one before it was rolling towards it, and it was rolling towards it because someone hit it with a pool cue, and someone hit it with a pool cue to win the game etc etc etc.....

If you knew the state of everything at some point at some time in the universe (energy and mass and vectors), you could know everything that would happen right afterwards... on to infinity...

suppose someone could do this at the beginning of time, then going thru his calculator (or abacus more appriopriatly) ..... maybe he'd be able to figure out that you'd make your song....

Big up the deteministic massive inside...

acid1

[Pook]

Add some chaos theory to that and you have reality. You can always reverse engineer an action or reaction because it has already happened. You cannot however always accurately predict what will happen because there are so many other variables that change the output. What you can do is come up with a hypothesis of what will probably happen given a controlled environment and set of circumstances. We are humans, imperfect and not entirely predictable, whether it's due to conditioned responses or chemical imbalances.

This statement was made using letters and language which has been in existence for quite a long time, but were arranged into a pattern which allowed me to convey my thoughts in a unique way.

If you believe that everything we do and say has already been done and said before then think about all the energy you could save by not doing or saying anything else.

:p

Just having fun with this thread, don't take offense. :D

Unless you want to.:raging

I got plenty more where that came from. :moon

[acid1]

Chaos theory is irrelivant because there is more then we can understand. Even the first event so it be random is philosophically lazy. And just because there is more then we can understand doesn't mean that it doesn't exist or that you can't find a pattern to it.... it would be quite arrogant to think that because we can't think of something then it is impossible to be thought of...

You saying i have one choice or another to do nothing or do something since it is already pre destined is really contridicting what you are saying. That almost suggests free will but aren't we talking about contingency here? Think about it again.

And yes I wasn't talking litterally about a human being able to know the state of everything in the universe at one time, cuz yes there are many variables, but if something much more intelligent then us could (this is called a hypothetical situation, lets say it together "high... poe... thet... tical"), then we are back to square one reguarding my claim. The point of the statement wasen't about humans having any control, it was about the state of the universe. Speaking of getting back to square one, i feel like you are suggesting that because we can't think of something then it is impossible...

I love how you opened that statement with chaos theory and then claimed that your thoughts are "arranged into a pattern."

And btw, why should i come up with a hypothesis of what would happen in more controlled universe with a set of circumstances? the thoughts are placed for you... "Uhhh if this is true then..... well it's true" no thoughts involved at all. I'm currently basing my beliefs upon physics which is apparently the only hypothesis thus far that can prove itself true (relative to our existance)... what are you basing your hypothesis on, a good feel?

:D I'm having a good time too. And there is plenty more where this came from :D

[f3/\r teh Phorced Access]

Mental masturbation of which you guys are kings!

[Pook]

Originally posted by acid1
Chaos theory is irrelivant (I think you mean irrelevant) because there is more then we can understand. Even the first event so it be random is philosophically lazy. And just because there is more then we can understand doesn't mean that it doesn't exist or that you can't find a pattern to it.... it would be quite arrogant to think that because we can't think of something then it is impossible to be thought of...(But it's irrelevant?)

You saying i have one choice or another to do nothing or do something since it is already pre destined (predestined is one word) is really contridicting what you are saying. That almost suggests free will but aren't we talking about contingency here? Think about it again. (I never said anything is predestined, in fact that's the opposite of what I said. FREE WILL FOR EVERYONE!)

And yes I wasn't talking litterally about a human being able to know the state of everything in the universe at one time, cuz yes there are many variables, but if something much more intelligent then us could (this is called a hypothetical situation, lets say it together "high... poe... thet... tical") (hy...po...thet...ic...al - if you're gonna break it down, break it all the way down) , then we are back to square one reguarding (regarding, Geez, I hope your grasp of science is better than your grammar!) my claim. The point of the statement wasen't (wasn't) about humans having any control, it was about the state of the universe. Speaking of getting back to square one, i feel like you are suggesting that because we can't think of something then it is impossible...(No, just that it is not a scientific fact Mr. Wizard)

I love how you opened that statement with chaos theory and then claimed that your thoughts are "arranged into a pattern."(Thank you, it's commonly known as rational thought! Try it instead of guessing sometime, it makes more sense.)

And btw, why should i come up with a hypothesis of what would happen in more controlled universe with a set of circumstances? the thoughts are placed for you... "Uhhh if this is true then..... well it's true" no thoughts involved at all. (Boy, you ran straight out to left field with that one...come on back with the group now.) I'm currently basing my beliefs upon physics which is apparently the only hypothesis thus far that can prove itself true (relative to our existance)... what are you basing your hypothesis on, a good feel? (Hey, ther's nothing wrong with a good feel now and again. "Don't think...feeeeel.")

:D I'm having a good time too. And there is plenty more where this came from :D

Kids, stay in school. Remember, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

:king

[acid1]

I have this gut feeling you are starting to feel offended and beginning to take it out on me in some immature fashion of making snide remarks. I'm not even sure you know exactly what is the argument we were talking about anymore....

None the less, if I wanted an english grammar lesson i would not have become an engineer and went to english class... this is a internet drum and bass message board, not some APA based grammar advice messaging system. Maybe the fact that I'm taking computer science is causing me to mix up all the languages people have tried to teach me, hehehe.

In reguards to the first paragraph; yes I am claiming chaos theory is irrelevent to our arguement. And I go thru my arguement as to why it is irrelevant to our arguement and you ask if it's irrelevent again? yes it is... thats what i was trying to say during the entire paragraph... if you somehow decided that I was just generally trying to put down chaos theory then remeber that this is not what the debate was about.

Second paragraph; more english class... if you remeber I was arguing that everything exists in contingency.. and you said that if it was then I should choose to do nothing, and I was claiming its contridicting my statement to claim I have a *choice*? do you understand? Re read.. anyways this still did not have anything to do with the original arguement, i find it funny that you brought it up to argue against it...

Third paragraph; more english... and yes you can't examine everything in the universe with human senses, otherwise i guess we couldn't believe in a lot of things (like how keplar's law gives light on planetary alignment because of some equation he made up involving multivariable calculus of taking derivaties in 3 demensions).... including planets and black holes and quantum elements... i wonder if you could could even prove the earth is round besides the moons reflection and the way ships sail in from the horizon .... if you want proof that my theory is not correct, then prove me wrong, until then it's a valid theory... thats the definition of a theory... and snide remark about my grasp of physics was childish and it had no relationship to the current sentence as I could see... or the debate to that extent... you want mathmatical proof that one state effects another? how about the second law of thermodynamics. Prove that one wrong.

Fourth paragraph; how could rational thought bring you to saying that something is random and at the same time something is not random? Chaos theory lies on the basis of dynamic unpredicatablity, so my question to you is what is so dymanically unpredicatable about patterns? Is that rational? This again has nothing to do with the arguement, but if you're next comment would be that because of dynamic unpredicatablitity we can not predict everything, then maybe you should re read chaos theory, and if that isn't enough how about my first comment of my last post, or better yet my last paragraph.

Fifth paragraph; i was saying that if you give circumstances and make up situations for a theory of how things would be, then they are as the circumstances and situations you made up made it out to be (basic enough?). You need to look at the current universe you live on and make theories and mathmaticaly equations based on them. You can dream all day, but in the end they are just dreams (unless again you believe in Carl Jung [second time i brought him up?]). But for your purpose, i will say that we really don't manipulate anything when we make music, the machines do.... you could keep going on forever about how we control the machines that control the sounds but it will always end up in the same spot of thinking we have absolute intervention.... To give you a good example (having to do with physics), I *could* say that inheritly I control the universe because when I move around, everything becomes gravitationaly attracted to me and falls towards me (you can thank Newton for that one). I can kinda see how this had to do with the debate, but it really was just an off the subject idea of what the opposite would be of my theory without proving the first one wrong.

Anyways in conclusion I'd just like to point out that you are really just arguing against a few points of mine in each message that I write (but not all of them, and not the important ones), and you even got as far as to get off the subject to analyze my spelling abilities... if you are running out of physics knowledge or if this arguement is boring to you then quit, but don't mix up knowledge, philosophy, physics, and english without first addressing what the initial debate was about.

Peace man

acid1

[Pook]

Music is made of vibrations, arranged in a sequence. Just like a house is made of items that previously existed, but was not a house until it was constructed. On a base level, everything is made of the same thing, but music is CREATED by the way it is arranged, otherwise it's just noise - chaos.

[shabda]

Replace CREATED with CONSTRUCTED and I will AGREE. To CREATE seems to imply "from scratch", and CONSTRUCTED seems to imply as you said a fabrication of pre-existing materials. I think all I wanted to point out was that the ENERGY we seemingly CREATE is more a as you put a construction of pre existing vibes that are almost reinterpeted when influenced by the other vibrations. ANYWAYS I am tired of this thread. Maybe drum n bass isnt as magical and spiritual as I had always thought?:snore

[some guy]

well regardless of what you all think we exist as do all things because this is how our minds accept the information put before us. the fact is none of this exists, accept in our own minds and even so our own minds do not exist accept to our selves whom are the observed and the observer. there fore making reality but a subjective matter, making control and the idea that we create the vibrations, songs, music we expierience but a dream in ourselves and a dream in the spirit of the universe which we are all diffrent aspectual views of trying to learn to enrich that one spirit that one soul to maturity so as to move on to a higher state.

[acid1]

Originally posted by some guy
well regardless of what you all think we exist as do all things because this is how our minds accept the information put before us. the fact is none of this exists, accept in our own minds and even so our own minds do not exist accept to our selves whom are the observed and the observer. there fore making reality but a subjective matter, making control and the idea that we create the vibrations, songs, music we expierience but a dream in ourselves and a dream in the spirit of the universe which we are all diffrent aspectual views of trying to learn to enrich that one spirit that one soul to maturity so as to move on to a higher state.

Interesting claims, can you prove any of it?

[some guy]

can you prove you exist? can you prove it without stating tangibility(which is only our minds interperting electrical signals as sensations) i mean the point of what i typed is that our lives are only a tool to learn. and if this is real or not does not matter, what does matter is finding what makes you happy and obtaining it responsibly and without infringing on others happiness. reality is only a tool for our minds to recognize each other and work along with each other to help bring joy in to each other's lives and help each other grow and learn. how you accept reality is all in your mind and if it is real or not is pointless unless you are rapped up in tangibility and greed and hate, which are all part of one thing FEAR. and the point of happiness is to forget fear to mature our unifying spirit to a higher state where we are more intelligent and stronger, not only physically but mentally(like 6th sence shizz). but this is all my opinion of this reality and of how this universe werks, but yet i am infitile and can only comprehend what i can imagine, so i am wrong but introspectivly i am right....

SOCRATES: true wisdom is in knowing that you know nothing.......

[acid1]

if we are too dumb to prove anything, then why make outrageous claims about it in the first place?

[some guy]

i am not saying that we are dumb but what i am saying is that what is right to me is not necessarily true to you.
it is all your prespective. even in science, there is no definitive answer for any one question, it is based off compiling all data from all prespectives to gain a general concensus(ie. the periodic table of elements) got it?

[acid1]

Oh boy, here we go with Objectiveness verses Subjectiveness.. where is the simplex when you need him?

None the less, mathmatical laws are based off of assumptions that share multiple conditions agreed upon by communities.... true, but they are disreguarded when a community discredits them. (Subjectiveness working towards objectiveness?) <side note> Reguadless, to deny objectivity altogether is really to deny mathmatics and science in general. </side note>

Back to the discussion: I don't see anything against having crazy ideas, but until there is a reason to believe them whether it be logically or agree'd upon by some community or has something else to base itself on besides the fact that it was creatively concieved then it shouldn't be reguarded as "right" or pushed on to someone else.

Making up stuff that can't be proven right or proven wrong doesn't mean it's right or wrong, it's just crazy.

Anyways who cares about my opinions

acid1

[some guy]

i am not making up what i say, what i am saying is my philosophy on life and it allows me to make it day to day. call me weak for having such ideas but they allow me to have compassion for my fellow person because i recognize they are alike i in that they are only searching for happiness.
now science and objectivism i believe in but only in the field of numbers and mathematics which in itself are intangibles and are only ideas based in simplistic logic on how the base number 10 opperates when applied to the universe. all other fields are irrelivent considering that we only have encountered 2 types of quark and there are 6. not to mention the quantum gravitiy theory has not been straightened out(and i am sure it will make all other mathematical theroms of how particles/waves behave in gravity and the other forces that exist to our preception obselete)so the universe can be compilied of endless types of chemistries and physics based off of their point in the 4 dimentional puzzle.
think about it music is a vibrational system based off 4, not 10, which we under stand as beats/breaks.

confused?

[acid1]

No not really confused. I've read about quantum gravity etc. Einstein has been stressing gravity for years, same with that Newton feller. Why stop at relativity? I thought we were believing in the speed of light.

Uhh... anyways because we descovered 2 quarks doesn't mean it's bad, i would think it means we are on the right track, but to say physics and math is irrelevant because we haven't done everything and seen everything, well that just sounds like bananas.
:banana

There are plenty of mysteries to the universe, but that doesn't discredit science... without going off an a tangent (no pun intended) about the latest theoretical physics, I think that it is amazing that we can take a stupid calculus equation.... for instance torque:

tau = r cross F

and apply that to explain everything from a door opening to planetary alignment to galaxy attraction to dipole movement in an electric field. Some times I feel hesitant to discredit math and science so fast. But if you want to, more power to you. I wish you the best of luck :)

acid1

[vase]

I think that it is amazing that we can take a stupid calculus equation.... for instance torque:

tau = r cross F

and apply that to explain everything



fo real yo, like how i applied it to yo momma. . .. :metal

[acid1]

Originally posted by vase




fo real yo, like how i applied it to yo momma. . .. :metal



HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! :laughing :laughing :laughing :mad :laughing :crackhead

[some guy]

im not dis crediting it but saying it is infitile.
and believing in the speed of light as a limit is stupid.
reletivity explains that you cannot accelerate to the speed of light from our current state. it says nothing about changing our phase in relation to the speed of light and traveling, perhaps even at multiples of c.
i do believe in science, but science math and all cannot explain the human soul so they are worthless when in regards to happiness(ie grooving to a beat) and that was the point i was getting across by saying that it is irrelivant!!!!!!!!!!
was i ramblinging that hard that you couldn't understand?
tell me to shut the fuck up next time!!!!!

[acid1]

Uhhhh okay this is gonna be my last post on this subject, I can't seem to stop getting people angry....

1) I think you need to re read your relativity book in all honesty.

2) Yes you do go off on plenty of tangents.

3) Now that you don't discredit science/mathematics, we still get back to whether or not you can prove you even have a soul.

4) Happiness is a bi-product of your brain, ever heard of remote controlled rats? They are having way to much fun! Check it out.

5) I'm not sure infitile is a word


Feel free to say the last words, I'm done here, hehehe :daeth
acid1

[Pook]

LOL, sorry to dredge this thread up again, I was bored.

Acid1, I think you were in summer school English class with "some guy", weren't you?

Originally posted by some guy
was i ramblinging that hard that you couldn't understand?
tell me to shut the fuck up next time!!!!!

HAHA - "ramblinging", that's pretty cool. I think that's the epitome of rambling. Shut the fuck up.