Does the Junglist lifestyle exist?

[Preecha]

I think it was Jason who said Emile (sorry to bring him up) stated that there is no such thing. Being a Junglist day in day out isnt real. What say you?

[f3/\r teh Phorced Access]

Its very real... Its not a fad, or a mentality, its a way of life.

[Marco]

And if so, does being a dnb dj bring you closer to that lifestyle?

Honestly, I love the music. It enhances my life tremendously day in, day out. Does it define my life, not really, it's just a part of it. I wish I could spend more time (and money) following the scene but right now I'm just an observer. Believe me, I admire alot of you guys (and gals) that are trying to make a living doing this.

[Preecha]

Haha ive only lost madd amounts of money and time doing this and there are others in the scene who have lost even more of both. All for the love of it I suppose...

[Roxy Monoxide]

what exactly does the junglist life entail? i am way confused over this one, how is one an "everyday junglist" exactly? just curious!:D

[Consumer]

Back in December, someone on the az-raves list mentioned that 'jungle is a lifestyle', and Emile replied saying '...for those with no life' - It turned into a typical Emile Flame War™ with this probably being the best post by him:

(see original here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/arizona-raves/message/29911 )

"wrongo....little miss jag
See I know Castor and he doesn't wear no bullshit camo ...and has a real job
....so does ariel and dft and oliver They are belive it or not regular guys
....during the day they work and lead productive ...NORMAL lives ...not like
these or many morons in the sad sad dying world of drum and bass...and please
...call any distributor...or club or promoter in the The UK and ...frankly the
US ..D'N'B is played and dead thanks to the fact the drug dealers all went 2
step...and glam
Hey I love drum and bass...but these niggas cant justify the player like
attitude on a style that is ....dwindiling and fadeing fast worldwide ...me I
still play it ...but wont be PLAYED BY IT and the hype non sense ...cause truth
be known .....I aint black ,or a US wigger ,or from the UK and dont have an
English(fake)accent that sounds like I have a stuffed up nose which means
...I will never make it in the world of drum and bass so fuck um ....
The e"

:laughing

[Preecha]

Classic

[Polytrickster]

AAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!

Who cares if DnB or Jungle is dead, played out or whatever. Are we listening to music so we can be this hippest fuck on the block? Fuck that. I don't know the newest releases, I don't keep tabs on the top 10 or try to be Mr. Mainstream. I do know what I like. I wear what I want, I listen to what I want and I do what I want regardless of fad, fashion or Fuckfaces.

[CLOKWIZE]

this same debate pops up in hip hop circles, and Im sure other scenes as well.

We ARE jungle. Whatever lifestyle we lead is therefore the "junglist" lifestyle.

Whether you produce all day, spin records all day, or sleep and pick your butt all day, you are leading the junglist lifestyle.

You as a junglist define the junglist way of life, not the other way around.


Its like saying what makes a certain food "Chinese food"?
Answer: Food that is made and/or eaten by Chinese people is CHINESE FOOD. Chinese food is defined by the Chinese, and "junglist life" is defined by junglists.

Who is to say what is the right or wrong way?

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"Jungle is as jungle does, sir"-----paraphrased from Forrest Gump

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"The more you suffer, the more it shows you really care"---The Offspring
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Samuel Jackson: "You have no ambition, all you do is sit around all day smoking pot and watching TV"

Bridget Fonda: "What if my ambition is to sit around all day watching TV and smoking pot?"

---Scene from "Jackie Brown"
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-WIZE

[king egorock]

so what kind of food do gay people make?
and for that matter...if a chinese person makes a hamburger is it still chinese food?
:crazy

[CLOKWIZE]

I meant in the seminal "development stages" of Chinese cuisine, whatever they made and ate was deemed "Chinese Food".

There were no laws or rules on what they were allowed to eat and make. They made and ate what they wanted, and that defined what we call Chinese food today.

Also important to note, is that both hamburgers and hot dogs are German foods, yet are now also considered "American food". Pizza is Italian in origin but has been "sampled" and is part of Americana as well.

In this, the postmodern world, re-contextualization is at the heart of everything and anything, and thus there is no such thing as property, material or intellectual. For God's sake, Jungle and electronic music as a whole, is based on samples...."borrowed" sound, re-contextualized.

As for your question, that depends...are the gay people Chinese?

:fu :fu :fu :fu :fu :fu

-TICKTOCK

[shabda]

what ever! I could give two shits less about jungle dying out. That isnt why i love it. the only thing dying out are all the raver pussies. GOOD RIDENCE. It just became a fad for some. But for the heads that remain... They are the everday junglists. Not the part-time bunglists. :foff So suck a dick all those who hopped on the drum n bass bandwagon. You are the reason OUR scene is struggling. Everyday that passes the stupid people forget drum n bass and we grow STRONGER!!!
ha ha I gotcho asses!!!:bounce

[jadis]

i don't think that anything that consumes you to the point of it becoming a lifestyle is healthy...

Riana:banana

[jadis]

i'm quoting castor from a diffrent post...


"And now the music of the past has fond memories, but that doesnt mean we will airbrush our names on our overall's and wear them with one strap down! Things change, people change, I have learned to realize that the things I am passionate about one day may be something different the next. If you get caught up in the drama of a music scene you may miss an oportunity to interact with someone you have more in common with than just the music. Somtimes, you can learn the most about yourself, from someone you may consider to be the opposite of you as a person."


Amen and well said Keith...and that goes for everything

[Preecha]

Ive been a junglist since 95 and I dont think its changing anytime soon.....


Ive just gotten started.

[f3/\r teh Phorced Access]

No doubt bro... We all live the lifestyle of a junglist....
To me you can have social independence from the stereotype of a junglist and yet be one. We as humans are as devirsified in lifestyles and habits as is the music we all share and enjoy. The many genres that make up Jungle / DnB can also be corelated to the many social differences in the people that support the scene and listen to the music. Take a snapshot of the crowds and then evaluate how everyone is on a personal level, a social level, and a professional level. We are all different and unique and that is what has always kept me loving Junglists. Were all very different from one another yet in the end we have the same love.

[Preecha]

Yeah man that about helps to sum it up.

[Castor]

Originally posted by Preecha
Ive been a junglist since 95 and I dont think its changing anytime soon.....





Are you saying it hasnt changed since 95'? It has, and will change even more. It will experience the same fate as all music before it. With the ADD world we live in today people will get bored and move on. Evolution is a part of life. New producers are popping up daily and pushing the boundaries of jungle so far that it will eventually take on a new shape, thus creating a new form of music that might not sound anything like DnB. The flip to this topic is that it will become the new pop music and give it an extended survival time.
Now...none of this could take place for years, so enjoy it now, but dont base your life around it! Listen to Rock, listen to Hip-hop, listen to Pop, listen to Jazz, take it all in!!! Living life means experiencing all that life has to offer. If all you know about life is dnb shows and dj Hype mix tapes you may as well be dead.

LOL...that may have been a little over the top, but there is a message in there.


:D

[f3/\r teh Phorced Access]

I listen to Jazz, Hip Hop, German Polka music, 60's rock, Sonic Youth, Portishead, But NOTHING makes me more happy then DNB, Ragga, or old skool jungle....

Evolution is great but the rocks dont seem to mind.

[siimplex]

AMEN CASTOR! Hooray for eclectic individuals!:metal

[orion]

Originally posted by Dj_Access
No doubt bro... We all live the lifestyle of a junglist....
To me you can have social independence from the stereotype of a junglist and yet be one.


what exactly is the 'stereotype of a junglist' and the 'lifestyle of a junglist?'

[kid kryptic]

yeah for eclectic music tastes.

my personal favorite is jazz. Thelonius Monk....(hopefully i spelled his name right)

[Preecha]

I would say from you John(Orion) to Adam (Kid K) to Tyler (Pureform) to Adroit lead a lifestyle of a junglist. Day in and day out making/spinnin or just lissening to beats makes you apart of that subculture.....and it goes deep.....

[Xaria]

Originally posted by Dj_Access
Evolution is great but the rocks dont seem to mind. :laughing Quite right.

If you love a sound you are probably going to continue loving it, even if it isn't the freshest beat to batter your brains. When I come across songs that were precious to me in my dayz in a former persona, I still like them for all they were ever worth and enjoy the memories aroused. That doesn't mean my tastes haven't awakened to other noises. It is obvious that music is a progressive form of art, that will grow and distort with the generation creating/supporting it. No big deal right? It is with out a doubt better that way.
As far as choreographing a lifestyle to a culture...uhh...what diference does it make? If someone, who isn't really hip with oneness thinks some style is going to redefine their soul...they might be in for a lesson or two involving universal and self love. Feeding an image is no way to reach sustenance.
I am no where as musically cultured as I would like to hope, but it doesn't make me any less of a person...it might be nice to be less person-like though...digression sorry. Well, I have written way too much concidering all I've got are tagged-up trains of speculation crashing into opinion.
Ho hum...:wes

[SUONT]

silliness.....

[f3/\r teh Phorced Access]

When I'm weak, you're tellin me that I'm strong
When I'm right, you're tellin me that I'm wrong
But I know, now I understand, now I see...
I see your wicked plan.
I'm a Jungalist........

[nocturn]

to me being a junglist isn't a musical prefrence, but a lifestyle... if drum and bass does "die" then im stoked as hell cause maybe it will never make it to the radio! militia style? yeah right! not it AZ

[ana]

jungle is gay. :daeth

[Preecha]

I heard you were ana! :eek

[Mantis Claw]

I'm feel'n Xaria on this one. I think culture is something that happens. I think it is inate. It can be consiously directed and shaped, but too much functioning from the brain and not the heart leads to ridid stagnated beliefs about the culture. This subject has taken up many hours with my true school hip-hop brethren. There seems to be some need to have boundaries or defining lines of what something is and is not. I think a better way to look at it is that there are root understandings to be held and passed on while allowing the moment to moment unfolding of what was not before, or maybe was. Personaly I am not concerned with a junglist lifestyle unless it is concerned with self sustaining community and (r)evolution of consiousness.

[Random_J.A.R.gun]

IN MY PANTS!!! GIT DOWN TO DA FUNKY SOUND!!!:slayer

[Preecha]

In its truest essence it is Jimmi

[Xaria]

"To put it into so many words, to define it, was to limit it. If it's this, then it can't be that." Tom Wolfe

[NAPPSTA]

I LIVE THE MUSIC LIFESTYLE. BUT ON A JUNGLIST LEVEL!!!!!!:metal :metal :spliff :spliff :slayer :slayer :rolleyes

[Re-Kon]

Jungle is just a style of music. Its up to you too choose how you represent it. Are you from the heart and helping it grow to a new level. Or is it a personal gain just to see your name in lights.
You get out of it what you put into it.:beer

[evilAntics]

What a sorry sack of fools.

I could go on and on and on

Pheonix is DEAD, hell majority of the people hear love to hear pop trance at raves.If youve been caught up with the AZ scene for a number of years, you might beleive its dead. Im starting to dread this anymore, so I feel you on that. What raves? The rave scene here needs to step up before dnb goes big here. Someone needs to create a large scale event promoter. Cause the massives ive seen here are like every weekend parties where im from.The best talent or promoters in the scene do club nights, your more likely to turn the 18 up crowd onto the dnb sound than the 21 ups. Why dont all the promoters on here pull together and form something bigger. Just a thought, you all should think about making it more like having dnb parties. Then through a few techno djs in there.

[jadis]

what was that? i got lost in your bad grammar...:D

[Preecha]

While we are out having a good time you can be here talking about what shoulda coulda woulda been done...

[evilAntics]

That reply I posted has nothing to do with Subcon or anyone on here. I cant make it to the sky lounge, its too far and I work nights on thursday. IF I lived closer I would go.Dont get me wrong I feel that SubCon is one of the only good things in AZ.

Why do you have to be so in my face about what I say.

Papa dont Preech,im in trouble deep

cause im keeping my baby

OOWWW yeah, gonna keep my baby..




:moon

[Marco]

Originally posted by evilAntics
That reply I posted has nothing to do with Subcon or anyone on here. I cant make it to the sky lounge, its too far and I work nights on thursday. IF I lived closer I would go.

okay, let me get this staight, your reply has nothing to do with Subcon, yet you're posting this on the Subcon forum. You're also telling us that "Phoenix is DEAD" and yet subcon happens to be Phoenix's only dnb weekly. Just because you can't make it to the sky lounge, doesn't mean it's dead.

[evilAntics]

Jesus H Christ...

I AM TALKING ABOUT THE RAVE SCENE HERE.

NOT SUBCON.

Does subcon throw parties,NO, get it straight.

Dont put words in my mouth.

90% of the time you all jump all over me about random things I say, which gets lost in translation.

Thats getting annoying folks. Get it staight, and get off my back.

one more time to make it really fucking clear.

I AM NOT DISSING subcon, I AM NOT DISSING SUBCON

I AM NOT DISSING SUBCON.

[evilAntics]

Although i will diss the Preechers.

All in good fun though.

:raging :reload

[evilAntics]

Im well aware of all the dnb nights here, and ive been to most of them. Ive not been to Sky lounge, I dont know if I ever will. Anyway im not saying there night is dead, how would I know Ive never been there.

What I said
Phoenix rave scene is dead.
Its really not even there. Something im not used to and were my roots are.

[jadis]

Originally posted by Marco


okay, let me get this staight, your reply has nothing to do with Subcon, yet you're posting this on the Subcon forum. You're also telling us that "Phoenix is DEAD" and yet subcon happens to be Phoenix's only dnb weekly. Just because you can't make it to the sky lounge, doesn't mean it's dead.
just so you know there is Transit sunday night and lucky dragon monday night..(two other dnb weeklys) :D

[Re-Kon]

People like sub-con and uscc are working overtime just to even have a scence here. 6 years ago you where lucky enough to here z-trip throw some jungle in his set. Dnb in az is slow but it has come a long way only because of the hard work and dedication. Slow Club Freedom is booking more dnb headliners. We need to take baby steps to get it going. It'll come around. I''ve seen many dnb dj's fall off(dj polo) and its the ones who where down from day one that are still here. In az it just takes alot more stanima and dedication as oppose to other cities to help dnb grow! Don't sleep on AZ.

[Marco]

I know Jadis.

I was only using what's posted in the Events section. Under SubCon it says: "Phoenix's only Drum & Bass weekly, featuring the best in local dj's playing everything from old school jungle to futuristic tech funk." Which would make sense, since Rinse is in Tempe, and Transit is in Scottsdale. This is all a bit anal, i will agree with you there. :D In a completely unrealated question, what's that tatoo on your right shoulder?:D

I agree with what you're saying Re-Kon. Everything has to start somewhere.

[Preecha]

Ok the sack of fools comment sent me astray...

[evilAntics]

Id like to know when I said subcon sky lounge night or transit is dead. Did I say that. NO. so with that could EVERYONE jump all over what I say. I wasnt hating on you all, if you want to turn it all around and think what you will. Go do that.

[ana]

easy. the rave scene is dead because raves are gay. this message board is for those of us who love drum and bass. i'm not following you at ALL. how do you create a "large scale event promoter"? is there a template for that?

in better words, what the hell are you on about?



Originally posted by evilAntics
What a sorry sack of fools.

I could go on and on and on

Pheonix is DEAD, hell majority of the people hear love to hear pop trance at raves.If youve been caught up with the AZ scene for a number of years, you might beleive its dead. Im starting to dread this anymore, so I feel you on that. What raves? The rave scene here needs to step up before dnb goes big here. Someone needs to create a large scale event promoter. Cause the massives ive seen here are like every weekend parties where im from.The best talent or promoters in the scene do club nights, your more likely to turn the 18 up crowd onto the dnb sound than the 21 ups. Why dont all the promoters on here pull together and form something bigger. Just a thought, you all should think about making it more like having dnb parties. Then through a few techno djs in there.

[Consumer]

Yeah, the "What a sorry sack of fools" intro made me think you were dissing the local dnb scene at first, then I saw where you were coming from.

Getting back to the constructive conversation: the rave scene in Arizona has been on the decline for the past two years, and now is in the worst state I've ever seen it. Swell, one of the largest and most reliable promoters, has lost money on just about all their events this year.

But I for one don't think the success of the dnb scene here is hinged on the rave scene anymore... and what may have worked well in other cities before doesn't mean it works everyhwere else.

I'm excited to be looking at an undefined future where we are independent from just doing what the rave scene dicates. Having gained knowledge by seeing first hand what worked and didn't in raveland is invaluable to us moving forward.

I think this insight is what will help us establish a more realistic local music scene, where integrity and longevitiy are at the forefront, as opposed to the drugs-first mentality and clandestine operations that dominate the current rave scene.

yeah. :crackhead

[evilAntics]

Phoenix is dead, that does mean it cant change or that you arent doing your part or what not. In my eyes and all the cities ive lived in, this isnt how we did it. Thats why im getting the fuck out of here in the next few months. While im here i am going to speak my mind on all sort of things. Im just really tired of the scene here and some of those involved with it. Ive seen it done bigger and better way many times to even count. Im so annoyed that I think its a waste to go out. It usually has to do with one of these things, a bad venue, bad lineup, or bad audiences who stand there looking at the dj while the dj stands there emotionless. What do I mean by bad venues, the Nile, the Ice House, the desert, a flea market. Scottsdale clubs, lucky dragon. Bad djs- everyone that played at Activate(horrible party by the way)ive never heard so many djs wreck in one night of partying. Djs who think they are above all and only do it to be the coolest tool in school, and give me flack like im some bedroom dj. The only djs ive heard hear that are really good are most of the transit people, like Castor and Zero,Vector.Anyway all the record stores really suck. So hard to get anything new, and impossible to get promos.Every store lacks a serious buyer, and when the good releases come out, they dont get there till Friday, and then they order two copies that get picked over in 2 minutes.

This is what i mean when I say DEAD. All i have to ask is this the end or the begining of the scene here.

[evilAntics]

I hear you deepfreq, that would be great to see the dnb scene go solo away from the rave scene. I think thats were its heading, and id like to see it go that way.

One place that I do really like right now is freedom, and im stoked Andy C going to be playing there. This should be great. Have you guys sold a lot of presales for this event, or do you think theres going to be a big turn out?Like when deiselboy comes around.

[Consumer]

Its the beginning fo sho... you should have seen it three years ago :eek

Its because of the lack of unity and commincation that the sub:con movement and web site was created. And because of the lack of an older, more diverse crowd, the sub:con weekly was started. In other words, all this has started up because shit was going nowhere (in my opinion)... to paraphrase a friends words, "the az dnb scene is starting to walk around on its own, but its still a baby that needs nurturing"

We have a ways to go and you're not saying anything new in your posts when you call out what sucks and what you hate... still wondering when you are going to offer something back besides criticisms.

[Consumer]

Originally posted by evilAntics
One place that I do really like right now is freedom, and im stoked Andy C going to be playing there. This should be great. Have you guys sold a lot of presales for this event, or do you think theres going to be a big turn out?Like when deiselboy comes around.

Compared to az dnb one-off standards, I guarantee this show will go off bigger than anything seen before. We haven't inquired about the presales yet, as we don't expect much to happen until a week before the vent.

We don't expect to get the same sized crowd that Dieselboy gets (which is always on a Friday at the largest and longest running club night in Arizona, with a very visible artist), but considering how much of a party the last mintute Aphrodite show was last week, this will be a blast.

I just hope I can listen to Andy's whole set without having to run around doing 'promoter things' :wes

[evilAntics]

My connections and family of tight freinds are way far away. So me offering anything to any of you is nill. As I only know the people I work with and thats about it, what im trying to say is that I dont know anyone here, and so for me to pull off a club night or party is not going to happen.If thats what your talking about. so for me to offer anything is out of the question. All I have to offer is my demo cd, that im still in the process of finalizing.


www.grooveside.com

[Preecha]

End all be all is: AZ is prolly at the stage most major dnb cities were at 6 years ago. This is as good as its been and will get better with time. Guess whos making that happen? The people here. I know what it takes to get stuff started. The street soilders are out talking to people/passing out flyers/showing the love and booking the talent. That list of things only a few ppl really do atm and a few of us know who they are. So talking about productivity and acting on it are 2 different things.

This is teh love :subc

[Consumer]

I'm just one person who decided to go out and talk to dj's and fans of the music. I started helping out by attending events.