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Mantis Claw
11-11-2002, 10:54 AM
The following essay was sent GNN's way by Mark Crispin Miller. It is one of the most eloquent and thoughtful essays on why "re-invading" Iraq is an all-together bad idea, and it was written by a Gulf War veteran. As we remember those who have fought and died for America today, we think it's a good idea to listen to what the ones who survived have to say:

Ten Reasons Why Many Gulf War Veterans Oppose Re-Invading Iraq
By Anonymous

With all the war fever about re-invading Iraq, the press and politicians are ignoring the opinion of the veterans of our last war in the Gulf. But we veterans were there, and we have unique and critical first-hand knowledge of the course and consequences of warfare in Iraq. Our opinions should be solicited and heard before troops deploy for battle, not after they have returned wounded, ill or in body bags. Another invasion of Iraq in 2002 will be very different from the invasion of 1991.

The war's mission has changed in the intervening years, from removing Iraq from Kuwait to removing the entire Iraqi government and military establishment from power. Because the goal of the U.S. military has changed, the Iraqi army may retreat to the cities, where they may face better odds than in the desert.

During the open desert tank battles of '91, U.S. tanks out-classed and out-fought obsolete Iraqi tanks, and U.S. infantry captured tens of thousands of poorly supplied Iraqi soldiers operating without command and control from Baghdad. But in the urban warfare scenario of 2002, pitched infantry skirmishes and ambushes in cities may present a more level battlefield for Iraqi troops fighting in their hometowns. The Iraqi military can be expected to fight for each block within each city with the most ruthless means available. When faced with the impending overrun of their nation, the Iraqi military didn't hesitate to use chemical weapons against Iran.

Because of these significant differences, here are 10 reasons why, as a Gulf War combat veteran, I oppose a second Gulf War as a costly and preventable mistake.

1. U.S. troops are vulnerable to Iraqi chemical and biological warfare agents -- if Iraq is capable of using them. The gas masks, detection alarms and protection suits don't work, according to internal Department of Defense documents uncovered during investigations by the U.S. General Accounting Office. This leaves U.S. troops highly vulnerable to chemical and biological attack. U.S. chemical and biological warfare agent casualties in 2002 could be significantly higher than in 1991. Only a few months ago, the Pentagon sent out a press release stating 140,000 U.S. soldiers were exposed to low-levels chemical agents near Khamisiyah, Iraq during the Gulf War. While these soldiers appeared to return home healthy, many tens of thousands face long-term disabling medical problems that are difficult to treat.

2. Scientific evidence shows that even low-level chemical exposures are dangerous. According to a recent National Academy of Sciences report (Gulf War and Health, September 2000), low-levels of chemical warfare agents cause long-term medical problems. This conclusion is based on research resulting from the sarin attack in Japan in 1995.

3. Research shows long-term adverse side effects from mandatory vaccines given to U.S. soldiers deploying to the war zone. According to the product label insert made by BioPort in Michigan, the sole producer, the experimental anthrax vaccine has caused several deaths. The National Academy of Sciences this year concluded there are some risks to the hotly debated vaccine.

4. The Gulf War battlefield remains radioactive and toxic. Scientific research funded by the military and released two years ago links exposure to depleted uranium (DU) ammunition with cancer in rats. Solid depleted uranium bullets, ranging in size from 25mm to 120mm, are used by U.S. tanks, helicopters and planes to attack enemy tanks and armored personnel carriers. The Gulf War battlefield is already littered with more than 300 tons of radioactive dust and shrapnel from the 1991 Gulf War. Another war will only increase the radioactive and toxic contamination among U.S. soldiers. As of today, U.S. troops are not fully trained about the hazards of depleted uranium contamination, even though Congress enacted a law in 1998 requiring extensive training, especially for medical personnel.

5. Research shows long-term adverse side effects from mandatory pills given to U.S. soldiers deploying to the war zone. According to testimony before Congress (Rand Corporation, 1999), the experimental pyridostigmine bromide (PB) anti-chemical warfare agent pills "can't be ruled out" as linked to Gulf War illness. During the war, soldiers were told to take one pill every eight hours. After the chemical alarms sounded, some soldiers, out of legitimate fear for their lives, took more than the prescribed amount. To date, the long-term consequences of PB pills remain largely unknown.

6. The Iraqi civilian opposition was abandoned by U.S. troops in the first Gulf War. After U.S. troops had liberated Kuwait and conquered southern Iraq at the end of February 1991, former President George H.W. Bush encouraged the Iraqi opposition, mainly civilians, to rise up against the Iraqi dictatorship in March 1991. However, former President Bush left the rebels twisting in the wind to be ruthlessly killed by the Iraqi army's Republican Guard flying helicopters allowed by the cease-fire arranged by U.S. military and political leaders. U.S. troops in southern Iraq in March 1991 were ordered not to interfere. How can U.S. troops or Iraqi rebels be confident this won't happen again? Long oppressed by the Iraqi military, what will the civilian population do if Iraq is liberated? The American public won't support a long-term occupation and high casualties.

7. Many post-cease-fire military actions of the first Gulf War were deplorable. In March 1991, the Iraqi army was in a full route inside Iraq. Against orders, former General Barry McCaffrey slaughtered thousands of retreating Iraqi soldiers after the cease-fire (documented in the article, "Overwhelming Force," by Seymour Hersh, The New Yorker, 2000). Many U.S. soldiers returned home with serious objections about the course and consequences of such actions, including the horrific carnage of the "highway of death," littered with hundreds of destroyed cars, tanks and human remains (see "Prayer at Rumayla" by Gulf War veteran Charles Sheehan-Miles, Xlibris, 2001). Will there be another massacre of Iraqi soldiers? Will Iraqi troops slaughter U.S. soldiers in retaliation, killing U.S. prisoners or retreating U.S. soldiers? And will the press be allowed onto the battlefield to record what really happens?

8. No one has been held accountable for arming Iraq with chemical and biological weapons from 1980 to 1990. A recent news article reported that top aides for former presidents Reagan and Bush armed Iraq with these weapons during Iraq's war against Iran between 1980 and 1988 ("Officers Say U.S. Aided Iraq in War Despite Use of Gas," New York Times, Aug. 18, 2002). Some of these former George H.W. Bush aides now work for President George W. Bush. These advisors did nothing to stop the sale of the chemical agents to Iraq, did nothing to stop the use of the agents by Iraq, and did nothing to tell the world about Iraq's crimes, even when the world learned Iraq used poison gas against civilians. These top political aides have remained silent for more than 14 years, and many refused to comment on the recent news reports.

9. U.S. allies in Europe oppose invading Iraq. They have refused to supply soldiers, funding or logistical support. Some of the serious U.S. battlefield casualties from 1991 were sent to U.S. military hospitals in Germany. Where will our casualties be flown to for emergency care if Germany follows through on its policy to remain neutral and not allow the use of German airspace? This contrasts sharply with the more than 30 nations allied with the U.S. during Desert Storm in 1991. Today, the U.S. has no Arab allies. In 1991, the U.S. forgave billions in outstanding loans owed by Egypt to buy its support. Now Egypt and other Middle Eastern nations oppose a second invasion of Iraq. If something goes wrong, where will U.S. troops retreat if Saudi Arabia won't allow U.S. troops within its borders? We must avoid another Gallipoli.

10. The Department of Veterans Affairs will not be able to care for additional casualties because VA can't even take care of current VA patients. Most veterans now wait six months to see a VA doctor, and most veterans wait more than six months to receive a decision on a VA disability claim. Many of those waiting in line are Gulf War veterans, many with unusual illnesses. According to VA, of the nearly 700,000 veterans who served in Desert Shield and Desert Storm, more than 300,000 have sought VA healthcare, and more than 200,000 have filed VA disability claims.

Last month, President Bush slashed $275 million from the healthcare budget of the Department of Veterans Affairs. Although the Iraqi government is a corrupt dictatorship that must eventually be removed, current proposals to remove the government by deploying hundreds of thousands of U.S. troops are deeply flawed. A premature attack against Iraq, especially when the public opposes it, would be a horrible mistake. Since 1990, more than 400 U.S. soldiers have died in the Gulf War theater of operations. Untold hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, both soldiers and civilians, also died. A second invasion of Iraq for one man is not worth one more life; let's use common sense and avert a second Gulf War.

The author is a Gulf War combat veteran.

Vinyl_Vengeance
11-11-2002, 11:35 AM
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Bush is a fucking moron...
I think his homepage is set to:
http://www.yourethemannowdog.com/
power hungry bastard!
He just wants the bush family to not have any business opposition in the middle east. :raging :raging
Greedy fucking politicians...

:rinse :bounce :reload

nikalodeeun
11-13-2002, 01:52 AM
5. Research shows long-term adverse side effects from mandatory pills given to U.S. soldiers deploying to the war zone. According to testimony before Congress (Rand Corporation, 1999), the experimental pyridostigmine bromide (PB) anti-chemical warfare agent pills "can't be ruled out" as linked to Gulf War illness. During the war, soldiers were told to take one pill every eight hours. After the chemical alarms sounded, some soldiers, out of legitimate fear for their lives, took more than the prescribed amount. To date, the long-term consequences of PB pills remain largely unknown.


haha. what? bigger cocks? hahahahaha.

by the way, that was a joke... dont get butthurt.

Preecha
11-13-2002, 02:50 AM
Good insight.

pimP sAuCy
11-13-2002, 07:30 PM
UHM.. this really makes me go uhm. sorta reminds me of the opposition we had against goin t war during ww2.
if we had nt intervene when we did, hittler was a step away from developin the a bomb. who knows what kinda world wed live in
if we hadnot put our fingers in a growin cancer.
who knows mayb id have blue ey3es n junk. in the same sense
sadam is a hittler waiting to happen ops wait he alreadfy try invading other countrys..h n wait who cares that iraq is one of the biggest contributors to terrorist organizations.its like let him b.but what look at wht korea did.they b makin attempts to make a h bomb.uhm n all this peeps have commm goals. they HATE THE USA. yes buddy where u live.uhm wait till he gets closer to developing nuclear weapons r buy one..the russians have plenny of un accounted devices.n dont forget the countrys dat deffected
frm russia. ud think heltynk twice about setting it off here.?did u know that over halfof the containers dat come to our ports
never get inspected..uhmm things dat make u go uhm..n but wait we allready gota dose of iraqi helped terroist fyi 9-11.
war is horrible .war is pain..but we have to defend the larger picture..this aint the A TEAM WHERE noone got killed ever.in wars ppl dien if u go into the service u know dat someday ull have to go. n if u ask any of this veterans dat if givin their lives wuld ensure our survival n way f life .they give in a sec. its a larger picture here not just about war. abel

NextLevel
11-13-2002, 09:59 PM
First of all Hitler and Saddam have really nothing more in common than the silly moustache. Yeah hes an asshole, but he isnt any more of a threat to us than he was a few years ago. If you have to compare hitler to someone it should be Sharon. In fact part of the reason we are so trigger happy with Iraq is because of the influence that the Zionist movement has here in this country. Now we are frightened that he might attack us? Who armed him? Who looked the other way when he gassed his own people? Who denies food to the starving children in Iraq? Oh yeah we dont talk about that. Now we want to attack him? Why? Why dont we attack the real terrorists, the ones who slaughter women and children with our weapons and our money and even attack our own people(U.S.S Liberty). Oh yeah... because they have money here. And they are our "allies" in the middleast. Why attack Iraq? Simple. It is much easier to find him than Bin Laden and now that the american people are angry with arabs they probably wont mind sending troops over to slaughter indescriminantly. After all... the U.S. has never entered a war which we diddnt make money from. and no one has ever not re-elected a president in time of war.

But hey..... everyone put an american flag on you japanese car and cheer for Bush and war. :reload :rinse :reload

pimP sAuCy
11-17-2002, 03:07 PM
<<<<<<<<zionist scum

is not easy being green-
kermit da frog:monkey

some guy
11-17-2002, 11:27 PM
i have an idea
lets pull all of our support around the world, let everyone kill each other(cause it seems like they really want to) and give the winners big mac's and cokes to celebrate their victory!


seriously we need to stop meddling in others affairs, if we spent the money we do on military support of other countries, helping them buile killing machines and such on our own social problems and education(not just the privelaged either all who yearn to learn) wed have no poor or hungry, we'd have no more ignorant peeps who cause wars, no more idiotic gangs, none of it......


but our politcians have us fooled that if we pulled our of the world police bizz wed fall next... i say bull shit, if you dont start shyt it dont happen, any ways the politicans are too busy raping other countries econimies and need the military maching we are a part of to "protect american intrests" what exactly does that mean, first off the conflict in saraejvo was the first conflict we got involved in for purely humanitarian reasons, secondly most american intrests that we protect is shipping, industry, basically money. .... open your eyes people, we are all still slaves no matter what you think, income taxes proove that, the government takes your money not accepts it, then the bungle it like a retard playing catch(no offence)...

any ways lets try to be peace full and love our neighboors, fuck this war shit, i dont want to die in some foreign country, in a hell called war, just so our politicans, and leaders can feel justified in their rape..................