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Taken from MSN.com:
PENTAGON OFFICIALS were still assessing the data, but a spokeswoman at Eglin Air Force Base in northwest Florida said the live test of the powerful new Massive Ordnance Air Burst (MOAB) bomb apparently was successful.
A C-131 “Samaritan” aircraft dropped the bomb on a test range at the western reaches of the base shortly after 2 p.m. ET, and the blast could be heard from offices on the east end of the 724-square-mile facility, said Senior Airman Nicholasa Brown.
The explosion sounded “just like thunder,” she said.
Cheryl Irwin, a Pentagon spokeswoman, said the test was completed at Eglin, but she did not immediately know whether it was considered successful.
The MOAB is guided to its target using satellite signals. In a word play on its acronym, military officials have dubbed it the “mother of all bombs.”
MOAB is much bigger than any other conventional bomb in the U.S. arsenal. Dropped out of the rear of a transport plane and guided by global positioning satellites, it spreads a flammable mist over the target, then ignites it, producing a highly destructive blast.
The next-biggest U.S. bomb is the 15,000-pound BLU-82, dubbed the “Daisy Cutter.”
No on-site news coverage of the test was allowed for safety reasons, but an Air Force chase plane filmed the blast and was to make it available later to news organizations.
NBC’s Tammy Kupperman reported from the Pentagon that some officials were pushing for its release for the psychological value of showing the blast to the Iraqis.
Preecha
03-11-2003, 04:52 PM
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thats a good thing. hopefully the Iraqi soldiers will wise up and surrender like some have already been doing:
(from sundaymirror.co.uk)
TERRIFIED Iraqi soldiers have crossed the Kuwait border and tried to surrender to British forces - because they thought the war had already started.
The motley band of a dozen troops waved the white flag as British paratroopers tested their weapons during a routine exercise.
The stunned Paras from 16 Air Assault Brigade were forced to tell the Iraqis they were not firing at them, and ordered them back to their home country telling them it was too early to surrender.
The drama unfolded last Monday as the Para batallion tested mortars and artillery weapons to make sure they were working properly.
The Iraqis found a way across the fortified border, which is sealed off with barbed-wire fencing, watchtowers and huge trenches.
TESTING TIME: British Marines are preparing for war
A British Army source in Kuwait contacted me to explain how the extraordinary surrender bid unfolded. The source said: "The British guys on the front-line could not believe what was happening. They were on pre-war exercises when all of a sudden these Iraqis turned up out of nowhere, with their hands in the air, saying they wanted to surrender.
"They had heard firing and thought it was the start of the war.
"The Paras are a tough, battle-hardened lot but were moved by the plight of the Iraqis. There was nothing they could do other than send them back.
"They were a motley bunch and you could barely describe them as soldiers - they were poorly equipped and didn't even have proper boots. Their physical condition was dreadful and they had obviously not had a square meal for ages. No one has ever known a group of so-called soldiers surrender before a shot has been fired in anger."
Last night the Ministry of Defence officially denied the incident had taken place, but the story was corroborated by an intelligence source.
Meanwhile Saddam Hussein has ordered thousands of troops back to Baghdad as he turns the city into a fortress.
It is believed that two rings of steel are being established around Baghdad. The outer one consists of regular Iraqi army soldiers and the inner one is made up of Republican Guard fighters - thought to be the only troops that will put up fierce resistance.
Castor
03-11-2003, 07:00 PM
Originally posted by cpud
thats a good thing. hopefully the Iraqi soldiers will wise up and surrender like some have already been doing:
(from sundaymirror.co.uk)
TERRIFIED Iraqi soldiers have crossed the Kuwait border and tried to surrender to British forces - because they thought the war had already started.
The motley band of a dozen troops waved the white flag as British paratroopers tested their weapons during a routine exercise.
:slayer :slayer :slayer
Consumer
03-11-2003, 07:07 PM
I'm pretty sure this same logic of "threating people by showing the world what destruction you are capable of" is what motivated the 9/11 attacks.
Pureform
03-12-2003, 03:20 PM
saddam alive= millions of people potentially dead
saddam dead= millions of lives potentialy saved
the US setting off that bomb was to show saddam that we have bigger and better weapons and that it is a waste of time for him to build his. i hope the next one lands in his backyard and kills him and all of his caveman cronies!:rinse
(sorry if i offended any of you saddam supporters out there)
Pureform
03-12-2003, 03:22 PM
Originally posted by Preecha
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dont be scared preecha. we'll be fine......unless we dont take saddam out soon.
MCAtombomb
03-12-2003, 05:25 PM
What's with all the paranoia about Saddam? Yes,yes he's carzy, kills his own people, has no thought of the general welfare of his people or the world.........but doesn't George W.?
I'm tired of hearing that my life is danger from a man who can't get his own military to protect the body politic. He's got bombs but he can't shoot them. Firing a nuclear weapon across the Atlantic is an evolved process costing thousands taking computer equiment more elobrate then any UN inspector has reported seeing.
Meanwhile, the Chinese backed N. Koreans start up their nuclear program and we hear from Powell not to trip. Maybe they've realized that's billons of people they wouldn't be able to sell a big mac to if there was a serious war between us and a power capable of shooting back.
NextLevel
03-12-2003, 05:48 PM
MCAtombomb: I agree! He is a terrible person! He kills his own people, but why do we suddenly care? We stood by and said NOTHING when he gassed thousands of poor kurds, we diddnt care then. If you wanna talk about killing..... the U.S. has killed MILLIONS of people ( yes MILLIONS ) since WWII. And I'm sure it was all in the name of peace. Just like the women and childredn slaugtered in Nicaragua by Bush Sr.
Consumer
03-12-2003, 06:36 PM
Most of the "human shields" aren't there anymore - the Iraqi military was asking them to hang out in front of military specific buildings such as radars and weapons caches instead of the elderly hospitals and day care centers :D
That's some funny shit if you ask me (a guy that thinks both sides are fucking lame)
Originally posted by NextLevel
MCAtombomb: I agree! He is a terrible person! He kills his own people, but why do we suddenly care? We stood by and said NOTHING when he gassed thousands of poor kurds, we diddnt care then. If you wanna talk about killing..... the U.S. has killed MILLIONS of people ( yes MILLIONS ) since WWII. And I'm sure it was all in the name of peace. Just like the women and childredn slaugtered in Nicaragua by Bush Sr.
in 1998 Bill Clinton ordered air strikes on Iraqi targets, after news of the then most recent attacks by Saddam on his own people. These strikes did nothing to Saddam personally, or his regime, they were intended to pull attention away from Clinton's impeachment hearings.
Saddam Hussein has violated every UN Resolution that was passed since the Gulf War regarding Iraq. That was 12 years ago, and the UN has done nothing to enforce it's OWN resolutions, and now they want more time for weapons inspections, that apparently work... however more and more violations are turning up.
I'd rather get this problem solved before Saddam does something foolish and the US gets blamed for not taking premptive action.
Originally posted by MCAtombomb
What's with all the paranoia about Saddam? Yes,yes he's carzy, kills his own people, has no thought of the general welfare of his people or the world.........but doesn't George W.?
I'm tired of this shit. George W Bush has NOT killed his own fucking people, ever. If your opinion differs, please supply me with photos or SOMETING other than speculation or conspiracy theory to support your claims.
Originally posted by deepfreq
I'm pretty sure this same logic of "threating people by showing the world what destruction you are capable of" is what motivated the 9/11 attacks.
the difference with our demonstation of power, and THEIR demonsration of power is that we didn't kill 3,000 innocent people doing so as they did.
Consumer
03-12-2003, 07:37 PM
Originally posted by cpud
the difference with our demonstation of power, and THEIR demonsration of power is that we didn't kill 3,000 innocent people doing so as they did.
I just mentioned the logic behind the motivation... chill.
Originally posted by deepfreq
I just mentioned the logic behind the motivation... chill.
i am chill. i was just pointing out the flaw in your logic :D
the logic behind the terrorists motivation is too hurt us and our way of life, where as this Mother of All Bombs will hopefully help to scare the Iraqi soldiers enough so that more will surrender.
Dub-U-Eff
03-12-2003, 09:25 PM
Originally posted by deepfreq
I'm pretty sure this same logic of "threating people by showing the world what destruction you are capable of" is what motivated the 9/11 attacks. ...werd...
yup...........werd
Originally posted by Dub-U-Eff
...werd...
yup...........werd
the 9-11 attack was certainly not a threat, it was an act of war/aggression.
Polytrickster
03-12-2003, 10:29 PM
Maybe something, maybe nothing. Check out Isaiah 15.
Originally posted by cpud
the difference with our demonstation of power, and THEIR demonsration of power is that we didn't kill 3,000 innocent people doing so as they did.
But dropping an Atomic bomb on 2 cities in Japan isnt a demonstration of power that killed um...MILLIONS of people? Or what about when we assisting in dropping bombs all over Jugoslavia, that didn't kill innocents? Not matter what your view may be, WAR (a power struggle in itself) kills innocent people.
This all reminds me of Dinosaurs- the TV show. The long neck and the short arms were fighting because of their differences. Whats sad is they were able to resolve their differences by talking it through. Humans, can't do that (even though I know it's fiction), they have to prove they are better with brute force. That's the way it's always been, the way it always will be. Until we blow up our world and end our sad race's existance.
Pureform
03-13-2003, 02:22 PM
Originally posted by Vada
But dropping an Atomic bomb on 2 cities in Japan isnt a demonstration of power that killed um...MILLIONS of people? Or what about when we assisting in dropping bombs all over Jugoslavia, that didn't kill innocents? Not matter what your view may be, WAR (a power struggle in itself) kills innocent people.
This all reminds me of Dinosaurs- the TV show. The long neck and the short arms were fighting because of their differences. Whats sad is they were able to resolve their differences by talking it through. Humans, can't do that (even though I know it's fiction), they have to prove they are better with brute force. That's the way it's always been, the way it always will be. Until we blow up our world and end our sad race's existance.
you are right....humans are too dumb to talk things out peacfully. that is exactly why we need to take action in the middle east ASAP!!!! some people think we live in happy-super-fun-world where peace can be achieved without conflict. war isnt good for anything.......except for destoying communism, nazism, ect. The people of Iraq cant wait for Bush to liberate them from saddams grip.
Whats really sad is the war protestors/ bush haters/ saddam supporters/ punk rockers/ hippies/ anti- americans/ that bash Bush and our govt, are the same people that will bash Bush and our govt if we sit back, do nothing, and let an attack happen on our soil.:rolleyes
This is my political view and does not represent anyone elses view on the board and SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN PERSONALLY......so here it is.............if you are against war with saddam, you are ignorant, narrow minded, misinformed, and have NO compasion for a suffering society (no not the US you idiot, Iraq). Saddam has had over 12 years and 17 resolutions to dissarm peacefully. He hasnt disarmed shit. Hes building up his weapons supply to send them over here. He has used mustard gas and nerve gas on his own people, killing over 1.5 million people. On top of all the mass murder, saddams army tortures and rapes people at gun point while their families watch in horror.
anyone still against Bush and the US???? well if you are, you are retarded IMO. The right for you retards to speak your minds against our govnt was given to you because of war. Our relatives that died to make this country free are probably turning in their graves right now hearing all the anti-american bull shit being tossed around.
Well if your opinion isnt meant to be taken personally then you should refrain from making personal comments, like "retard(s)". And classifiying those that oppose the war as you did is rather personal for those that might consider themselves one of which you mentioned (hippies,punks,etc.), but are supportive of the actions being made. Not trying to argue, just trying to keep this "debate" on subject, as opposed to having someone get pissed about a comment and trailing off.
Dub-U-Eff
03-13-2003, 03:15 PM
Originally posted by Pureform
This is my political view and does not represent anyone elses view on the board and SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN PERSONALLY......so here it is.............if you are against war with saddam, you are ignorant, narrow minded, misinformed, and have NO compasion for a suffering society (no not the US you idiot, Iraq). Saddam has had over 12 years and 17 resolutions to dissarm peacefully. He hasnt disarmed shit. Hes building up his weapons supply to send them over here. He has used mustard gas and nerve gas on his own people, killing over 1.5 million people. On top of all the mass murder, saddams army tortures and rapes people at gun point while their families watch in horror.
anyone still against Bush and the US???? well if you are, you are retarded IMO. The right for you retards to speak your minds against our govnt was given to you because of war. Our relatives that died to make this country free are probably turning in their graves right now hearing all the anti-american bull shit being tossed around. you crack me up dood...maybe you should join the armed forces.....
Roxy Monoxide
03-13-2003, 03:44 PM
winston has a point, which i have been saying this whole time. if you feel so strongly why dont you put your money where your mouth is and go to war.
Originally posted by Vada
But dropping an Atomic bomb on 2 cities in Japan isnt a demonstration of power that killed um...MILLIONS of people?
WWII would have gone on for much longer if we hadn't done that, and it was hundreds of thousands, not millions. Stalin and Hitler killed millions.
Consumer
03-13-2003, 04:18 PM
...because he's too short and has already proven to be ineffective against the Nug-X47 hoochie terminator.
Originally posted by Roxy Monoxide
winston has a point, which i have been saying this whole time. if you feel so strongly why dont you put your money where your mouth is and go to war.
i guess all those opposed to war should go to Iraq and help Saddam?
Dub-U-Eff
03-13-2003, 04:34 PM
Originally posted by cpud
i guess all those opposed to war should go to Iraq and help Saddam? heh, good point.... *buys one way ticket*
Just because you oppose war doesnt mean you are supporting Saddam.
It's not that black & white.
Originally posted by Dub-U-Eff
heh, good point.... *buys one way ticket*
It's pretty funny, some of those human shilds have already returned to where they came from (mainly Canada) because they realized that the USA wasn't even targeting the sites they were "protecting" (ie hospitals, schools, etc)
Once the Iraqi government told them they needed human shields for armorys and radar installations, they decided the whole human shield thing wasn't such a good idea after all.
Originally posted by Vada
Just because you oppose war doesnt mean you are supporting Saddam.
It's not that black & white.
and just because you support the war doesnt mean you are ready to go fight, which was implied in the post i was responding to.
Consumer
03-13-2003, 06:16 PM
"Just let them handle their buisness"
baah! baaaaahhhh! baaaahahh! must drive suv! baaaahhh!
http://www.4x4newzealand.co.nz/img/fine-wool-sheep.jpg
Dub-U-Eff
03-13-2003, 06:21 PM
well, I think we can agree on something, and that's that the board's split 50/50 on the war shit..heh
Consumer
03-13-2003, 06:24 PM
not really... I think Saddam is a fucking nut-job and needs to be taken out, just not via this whole big war production that duh-bya it getting a hard-on for. His rhetoric is almost as repetitive and played-out as 90% of the "drum & bass" music made these days... almost.
NextLevel
03-13-2003, 06:53 PM
I am ALL for Saddam getting taken out! I am NOT however in favor of these methods! Bush is a moron! He is doing it for the WRONG reasons! He is making enemies that will bite us in the ass later! Just as we did when we armed and trained Bin Laden or wow, even Saddam. So if you think being patriotic means supporting something even though you think it is wrong then you should be shot cause you are taking up space on this overcrowded planet.
kid kryptic
03-13-2003, 06:56 PM
i'm all for the troops coming back home.
Consumer
03-13-2003, 07:25 PM
"We never armed or trained bin laden"
You need to do your homework.
"THE U.S. GOVERNMENT KNOWS MORE ABOUT THIS SITUATION THAN YOU EVER WILL. SO QUIT TALKING OUT OF YOUR ASSES!"
You would make a good dictator.
Originally posted by NextLevel
I am ALL for Saddam getting taken out! I am NOT however in favor of these methods! Bush is a moron! He is doing it for the WRONG reasons!
protecting our livelyhood seems like a good reason to me :confused
Polytrickster
03-13-2003, 08:07 PM
Yeah, I'm all for protecting my greedy, self-serving, fuck-all-else, materialistic, selfish way of life!
And oh yeah, my car is more important than your baby.
Preecha
03-13-2003, 08:14 PM
:holy shit
NextLevel
03-13-2003, 09:25 PM
just cause they have more information in no way means that I should trust thier motives! I NEVER questioned what they know! Just what thier intentions are! AND.... seriously, do a little research if you think we never gave Bin Laden training and 3 BILLION dollars. My whole point is that we arm and support HORRIBLE people if they will help us fight whatever battle we have going at the moment. Also we are making enemies right now that will turn on us later. But Bush doesnt care, he wont be in office then.
Originally posted by NextLevel
just cause they have more information in no way means that I should trust thier motives! I NEVER questioned what they know! Just what thier intentions are! AND.... seriously, do a little research if you think we never gave Bin Laden training and 3 BILLION dollars. My whole point is that we arm and support HORRIBLE people if they will help us fight whatever battle we have going at the moment. Also we are making enemies right now that will turn on us later. But Bush doesnt care, he wont be in office then.
drastic times call for drastic measures. i'd definatly say that the cold war was a DRASTIC time in history. all we (or they) had to do was press one button, give one order, etc and it would have meant the end to millions of lives thanks to MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction).
during that time, any expansion the Soviet Union made or attempted to make was a direct threat at the United States and free society in general. We had to help the Afghans take their country back.
it'd sure be nice to have a magical crystal ball to tell us the future and the consequences of our actions, but we don't... hindsight is always 20/20.
Originally posted by deepfreq
...because he's too short and has already proven to be ineffective against the Nug-X47 hoochie terminator.
LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Roxy Monoxide
03-13-2003, 10:45 PM
just because i dont want my friends who are already there to be killed for stupid reason means i support saddam? what i wouldnt give to spend a day in your world....... also pureform said in a buncha other threads that he is willing to die for this country to keep his way of life together so why doesnt he just do it then?
Originally posted by Roxy Monoxide
just because i dont want my friends who are already there to be killed for stupid reason means i support saddam?
there lies the difference of opinion. I think it's not a "stupid reason" at all to get Saddam's regime the hell out of Iraq... therefor, I support the coming military action.
But war IS hell, I wont argue that. But sometimes suffereing must be used to deter FURTHER and more severe suffering.
Pureform
03-13-2003, 11:28 PM
Originally posted by Roxy Monoxide
....... also pureform said in a buncha other threads that he is willing to die for this country to keep his way of life together so why doesnt he just do it then?
because of people like you who take freedom for granted. also, like jason said, i'm too short and cant even resolve conflict with a washed up gangsta-bitch. :laughing
Pureform
03-13-2003, 11:32 PM
Originally posted by Castor
How can you stand in opposition with someone who is willing to die for your well-being? Selfish ass mother fuckers.
good question. selfish ass mother fuckers for sure!:down
Polytrickster
03-14-2003, 01:40 AM
When war mean the murdering of people, it is wrong. Murdering is wrong.
BUT...
Living by "The Law" does not make one righteous and love and compassion for another fullfills the whole law, so therefore showing love and compassion for the oppressed Iraqi people by delivering them from an evil dictator who oppresses and murders his own, MAY be justified.
But war (murdering) to protect our own freedom and way of life? THAT, my friends, is selfishness...You greedy, self-centered, mutha-fukas. Stop thinking about your precious vehicles and wonder bread. Stop thinking about yourself.
Pureform
03-14-2003, 02:04 PM
Originally posted by Polytrickster
When war mean the murdering of people, it is wrong. Murdering is wrong.
BUT...
Living by "The Law" does not make one righteous and love and compassion for another fullfills the whole law, so therefore showing love and compassion for the oppressed Iraqi people by delivering them from an evil dictator who oppresses and murders his own, MAY be justified.
But war (murdering) to protect our own freedom and way of life? THAT, my friends, is selfishness...You greedy, self-centered, mutha-fukas. Stop thinking about your precious vehicles and wonder bread. Stop thinking about yourself.
so its ok to fight for others freedom but not your own?:confused
would one of you liberals please give me a FACT, instead of the run-around. JUST ONE FUCKING FACT to convince me that the US should not take out saddam. (please note; 17 resolutions for saddam to dissarm have not worked in the past 12 years. 12 YEARS!!!!)
mr.mendez
03-14-2003, 02:19 PM
So where are the boobs??
Oh shit! I miss read.
anyhow
Boobs > Bombs!!
LET'S FUCK!!!!
Dub-U-Eff
03-14-2003, 02:24 PM
Originally posted by mr.mendez
So where are the boobs??
Oh shit! I miss read.
anyhow
Boobs > Bombs!!
LET'S FUCK!!!! werd to that (eh, I'm not fucking you tho...sorry frank) this thread is going no where
Castor
03-14-2003, 03:55 PM
Originally posted by Dub-U-Eff
werd to that (eh, I'm not fucking you tho...sorry frank) this thread is going no where
These political threads always go no where. Everyone just remains close-minded and defensive. It can be fun though. At least you get some insight into what opinions are out there.
Originally posted by Castor
These political threads always go no where. Everyone just remains close-minded and defensive. It can be fun though. At least you get some insight into what opinions are out there.
my opinion is the correct opinion. :slayer :slayer :slayer
Polytrickster
03-14-2003, 07:50 PM
Originally posted by Pureform
so its ok to fight for others freedom but not your own?:confused
would one of you liberals please give me a FACT, instead of the run-around. JUST ONE FUCKING FACT to convince me that the US should not take out saddam. (please note; 17 resolutions for saddam to dissarm have not worked in the past 12 years. 12 YEARS!!!!)
Are you or are you not suggesting that murder can be justified? And what relevance does that have to my statement? And why are you suggesting I'm a liberal? Do you know what that word means? Just curious, because it sounds like your regurgitating one side of something you heard on CNN's Crossfire.
Originally posted by Polytrickster
Are you or are you not suggesting that murder can be justified? And what relevance does that have to my statement? And why are you suggesting I'm a liberal? Do you know what that word means? Just curious, because it sounds like your regurgitating one side of something you heard on CNN's Crossfire.
Murder and killing someone are 2 different actions. The first is a crime by definition. I don't call going to war with another nation murder at all. It's war, and like I said before, war is hell and there's really nothing we can do about that except take the necessary steps to emerge victorious in a timely matter.
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